GASIG Meeting 13-February-2006

International Game Developers Association

[edit] Game Accessibility SIG Meeting; 13 February 2006

Members Attended:

• Michelle
• Robert
• Thomas
• Kevin
• Eric
• Tom B
• Dimitris
• Barrie

Meeting Transcript:

michelle says: (10:58:40 AM) hi everyone!

Kevin says: (10:58:55 AM) Hi Micheele

Barrie (One Switch) says: (10:58:58 AM) Hello all

michelle says: (10:59:00 AM) couple minutes still until the top of the hour. 

Dimitris says: (10:59:07 AM) hellooooooo

michelle says: (11:00:02 AM) so i don't know if you've seen the gdc schedule lately but...

michelle says: (11:00:06 AM) our meet and greet?

michelle says: (11:00:22 AM) where we get together with devs with disabilities and those interested in accessibility

michelle says: (11:00:27 AM) is at the prime time of...

michelle says: (11:00:28 AM) 9am

michelle says: (11:01:23 AM) i'm definately at my socializing best first thing in the morning

michelle says: (11:01:25 AM) yipes

michelle says: (11:01:34 AM) hopefully there will be free coffee there!

Kevin says: (11:02:03 AM) Hopefully there's not a big party the night before.

michelle says: (11:02:19 AM) yeah...usually there is

Kevin says: (11:02:36 AM) Great, hung over developers at 9 AM.

michelle says: (11:02:36 AM) if not an official one, an unofficial one or a company sponsored one!

michelle says: (11:03:08 AM) oh no...it's FRIDAY at 9am

michelle says: (11:03:17 AM) http://www.cmpevents.com/GD06/a.asp?option=C&V=1&SB=4&AdS=0&scTKs=934&scFMTs=0&GetDaysC=0&SPids=0&CP1=0&scTKs1=0&scFMTs1=0&GetDaysC1=0

michelle says: (11:03:23 AM) that's the complete idga track

Kevin says: (11:03:26 AM) This just keeps getting better.

michelle says: (11:04:07 AM) well, we're on the schedule this year...which is the first time that's ever happened.  but i don't have a lot of hope for a big attendance! 

michelle says: (11:04:52 AM) our roundtables (they run them twice)

michelle says: (11:04:57 AM) are at 10am on wednesday

michelle says: (11:05:23 AM) and the coveted 5:30pm on thursday

michelle says: (11:05:52 AM) so far we have 25 registered for the tutorial

Kevin says: (11:05:54 AM) Why is 5:30 on Thursday coveted?

michelle says: (11:06:02 AM) and that was just the early reg people

michelle says: (11:06:25 AM) it's not...hard to bring sarcasm in instant messenger

michelle says: (11:06:26 AM) 

Barrie (One Switch) says: (11:06:35 AM) Any idea who has registered?

Kevin says: (11:06:55 AM) Oh, I though there was something going on afterwards that everyone was hanging around waiting for.

michelle says: (11:07:15 AM) yeah, there is the game dev awards that day i think

michelle says: (11:07:31 AM) but usually people are out getting dressed, eating, drinking, etc beforehand

michelle says: (11:07:43 AM) i'm trying to find the calendar of gdc events

michelle says: (11:07:55 AM) no idea about who -- i'll ask jason

michelle says: (11:08:52 AM) anyway...

michelle says: (11:09:07 AM) http://www.igda.org/wiki/index.php/GDC_2006_Tutorial

thombusc says: (11:09:18 AM) Heloo all...just got here

Barrie (One Switch) says: (11:09:26 AM) Hi Thomas

michelle says: (11:09:33 AM) you'll notice that as the schedule gets filed in

thombusc says: (11:09:44 AM)

• waves*

michelle says: (11:09:49 AM) we have a LOT of people presenting on games for visual disabilities

michelle says: (11:09:52 AM) hey tom!

michelle says: (11:10:21 AM) take a look at the schedule time slots so far and let me know what you think

michelle says: (11:10:49 AM) i expanded visual, auditory, and mobility and shortened learning disabilities

Barrie (One Switch) says: (11:11:29 AM) Looks good. I was worried about the Learnind disabilities bit. It's important it gets in there, but time was limited as to what I could do...

michelle says: (11:11:30 AM) because i didn't think that we'd have enough for that and i think that the mainstream devs will really want to hear about the other three more because they present even more problems

michelle says: (11:11:40 AM) yeah

michelle says: (11:11:49 AM) i think it's important to bring up

michelle says: (11:11:58 AM) but in some ways it's a usability issue too

michelle says: (11:12:04 AM) so if you have confusing directions

michelle says: (11:12:11 AM) well, that's not so good for anyone!

Barrie (One Switch) says: (11:12:14 AM) Yep, and I think a lot of physical disabilities stuff ties in with learning disabilities.

Barrie (One Switch) says: (11:12:23 AM) Such as too complicated controls - speed controls etc.

michelle says: (11:12:44 AM) yeah, i have physical/mobility disabilities down for 45 minutes i think

Barrie (One Switch) says: (11:12:59 AM) It's in progress.

michelle says: (11:13:10 AM) right after the the afternoon coffee break

michelle says: (11:13:19 AM) so let's take the schedule in order

michelle says: (11:13:33 AM) first bit of the day is a half hour intro

michelle says: (11:13:48 AM) naturally we have a coffee break an hour into it

michelle says: (11:13:56 AM) so i thought that we would have the intro

michelle says: (11:14:26 AM) then until 11am we'd do the "what it's like to play a game with a disability" bring people on stage, blindfold them, etc bit

michelle says: (11:15:03 AM) i thought it would be a good way for people to get an idea of what kinds of issues we're talking about, get moving and awake

michelle says: (11:15:15 AM) comments?

Barrie (One Switch) says: (11:15:37 AM) I think the blind fold thing will give some idea, but we should back it up with other examples, such as...

Barrie (One Switch) says: (11:15:54 AM) super fast games (e.g. MAME running games too fast)...

michelle says: (11:15:57 AM) of course

Barrie (One Switch) says: (11:16:09 AM) looks good to me all in.

michelle says: (11:16:10 AM) yeah, i was thinking that we'd try to do a demo of all the main disability groups

Barrie (One Switch) says: (11:16:18 AM) Nice.

michelle says: (11:16:43 AM) just need to decide which games would have the most impact

michelle says: (11:16:57 AM) we should pick three or four commercial games

michelle says: (11:17:12 AM) that we know are ridiculous to try and play with a particular disability

thombusc says: (11:17:49 AM) it migh be good if we could get a bunch of work stations insteadof one....assuming we want the demo tp be hands on

Kevin says: (11:17:54 AM) Doom3 vs Doom3 CC worked well when I demo'ed it for my class. Showed them Doom3 without the sound and them with the closed captioning.

michelle says: (11:18:09 AM) yeah, that's what the accessibility arcade will be

Dimitris says: (11:18:15 AM) if you want, we have an accessible version of space invaders, that we could easily turn into inaccessible...

Dimitris says: (11:18:24 AM) e.g., extremely fast..

Dimitris says: (11:18:34 AM) very small graphics

michelle says: (11:18:35 AM) i thought for that first hour (1/2 hour for intro, 1/2 hour for demos or something like that)

Dimitris says: (11:18:47 AM) NO graphics

michelle says: (11:18:48 AM) that we'd show them those comparisons

michelle says: (11:19:15 AM) what do you think -- should we leave them to the coffee break by just showing them the inaccessible versions?

michelle says: (11:19:20 AM) then as the day progresses

michelle says: (11:19:36 AM) we introduce them to the accessible versions as we get to the disability subtypes?

michelle says: (11:20:00 AM) kind of gives them something to look forward to learning about

Kevin says: (11:20:06 AM) Maybe show them one inaccessible vs accessible game before the break - given them something to think about over coffee.

Barrie (One Switch) says: (11:20:22 AM) Sounds good to me.

michelle says: (11:20:29 AM) which one? 

Kevin says: (11:21:09 AM) How about the space invaders game Dimitris mentioned. Everyone is familiar with it.

Dimitris says: (11:21:42 AM) i can try to prepare a demo during this week - you see it and if you agree we can use it...

michelle says: (11:21:45 AM) yeah, that would work -- can we leverage that to cover all disabilities groups, or at least the main subtypes?

michelle says: (11:21:55 AM) ok sounds good

Eric has been added to the conversation.

Barrie (One Switch) says: (11:22:13 AM) I have hard ware to be able to play Space Invaders on MAME just with your head if this helps?

Barrie (One Switch) says: (11:22:19 AM) Using a head tracker.

michelle says: (11:22:24 AM) ah, cool

michelle says: (11:22:40 AM) ok, why don't we tentatively plan for space invaders then

Dimitris says: (11:22:42 AM) it is fully customizable, so we can plug anything we want

michelle says: (11:22:59 AM) i want to make sure that this is very interactive, fun, and really powerful

Dimitris says: (11:23:01 AM) i ll send you a description at the list

Barrie (One Switch) says: (11:23:05 AM) Can it be played without sight?

Dimitris says: (11:23:15 AM) yep (to Barrie)

michelle says: (11:23:17 AM) so we'll pull up "audience members" to demo

Barrie (One Switch) says: (11:23:24 AM) I know we can't use the "Space Invaders for Blind" on the CD - could we put this one on the CD?

Dimitris says: (11:23:24 AM) it supports 3D sound

thomaswestin = Skype ID has been added to the conversation.

Dimitris says: (11:23:58 AM) I can ask - anyway the demo will be dowloadable for free from our web site

Dimitris says: (11:24:02 AM) so i can ask if

michelle says: (11:24:04 AM) not sure what you mean -- i think we can demo it, right?

Dimitris says: (11:24:08 AM) it is ok to also include it on the CD

thomaswestin = Skype ID says: (11:24:14 AM) hi

michelle says: (11:24:18 AM) hi thomas!

Barrie (One Switch) says: (11:24:23 AM) Hello Thomas.

michelle says: (11:24:26 AM) we'lre just talking about the schedule

michelle says: (11:24:28 AM) http://www.igda.org/wiki/index.php/GDC_2006_Tutorial

michelle says: (11:24:36 AM) we're in the first hour now. 

thomaswestin = Skype ID says: (11:24:37 AM) ok, sorry for being late

Barrie (One Switch) says: (11:24:54 AM) Do you have the upload details to upload your demo of space invaders?

Dimitris says: (11:25:04 AM) nope

thomaswestin = Skype ID says: (11:25:14 AM) it is

thomaswestin = Skype ID says: (11:25:25 AM) server flashmedia.grace.se

thomaswestin = Skype ID says: (11:25:33 AM) login ga-sig

thomaswestin = Skype ID says: (11:25:41 AM) password gdc2006

Dimitris says: (11:26:22 AM) ok - thanks

michelle says: (11:26:47 AM) ok, so space invaders then seems like the most bang for the buck and also is nice because some of the older games are some of the "best games" with regard to fun, gameplay, etc...and, of course, accessibility

michelle says: (11:27:11 AM) ok...now the accessibility arcade (deep breath)

michelle says: (11:27:22 AM) here's how i envision it

michelle says: (11:27:28 AM) 4-6 game stations

michelle says: (11:27:53 AM) 4-6 games with high cred factor like all the ones that are nominated for this year and in the past

michelle says: (11:27:57 AM) like terraformers

michelle says: (11:28:04 AM) doom3[cc]

michelle says: (11:28:11 AM) strange attractors

thomaswestin = Skype ID says: (11:28:22 AM) brb

michelle says: (11:28:23 AM) others?

Barrie (One Switch) says: (11:28:31 AM) Destruction Derby?

michelle says: (11:28:36 AM) ah yes of course! 

Barrie (One Switch) says: (11:28:58 AM) What about something in MAME?

Barrie (One Switch) says: (11:29:12 AM) As this has reconfigurable controls which is so helpful.

michelle says: (11:29:20 AM) the accessibility arcade isn't going to be a giant thing -- but just something that will allow people some hand's on time with the games during the lunch hour and the coffee break

Eric says: (11:29:25 AM) do we have any audio only games for this?

Barrie (One Switch) says: (11:29:26 AM) Plus speed control on certain games.

michelle says: (11:30:05 AM) thomas' game terraformers is made for both audio only and full audio but i don't think we have any full audio only games

Barrie (One Switch) says: (11:30:21 AM) There are on the CD

Barrie (One Switch) says: (11:30:33 AM) But one is a bit iffy!

Barrie (One Switch) says: (11:30:57 AM) WinSpank - I demo'ed it at my accessible stall last year. Quite funny, if quite sexist too.

thomaswestin = Skype ID says: (11:31:03 AM) accessible quake

michelle says: (11:31:18 AM) ah accessible quake

michelle says: (11:31:38 AM) sexist!?!

Barrie (One Switch) says: (11:32:05 AM) It's a version of whack-a-mole - you hear a female in either your left, right or central field of hearing...

michelle says: (11:32:30 AM) ok, so destruction derby, doom3[cc], terraformers, strange attractors, accessible quake -- what else?

Barrie (One Switch) says: (11:32:32 AM) you have to press the corresponding key (only three) to spank her (in a kinky way). Iffy - but very funny for a few goes.

michelle says: (11:32:58 AM) heh. yeah...could get people on a whole other track of discussion...

Barrie (One Switch) says: (11:33:06 AM) (smile)

michelle says: (11:33:08 AM) 

michelle says: (11:33:29 AM) so do those 5 games cover things enough for the arcade?

Barrie (One Switch) says: (11:33:30 AM) just taking a look at a file...

Dimitris says: (11:33:39 AM) if you need a different type of game, I have UA-Chess (it is accessible by low-vision, blind and hand-motor impaired). fully accessible through the mouse, the keyboard (or any type of switches emulating keystrokes) and speech recognition

Barrie (One Switch) says: (11:34:01 AM) Can it be played off-line?

Dimitris says: (11:34:08 AM) you can have a look at: http://www.ics.forth.gr/hci/ua-games/ua-chess/

Dimitris says: (11:34:15 AM) yes it can be played off-line

michelle says: (11:34:15 AM) that might be good to show during the mobility session

michelle says: (11:34:33 AM) we have to think about what computers we need for the arcade and for the presentations

Dimitris says: (11:34:36 AM) it is only two-player game

Barrie (One Switch) says: (11:34:46 AM) It is a great example, and could be transferred to most RPGs with the scan and select method.

michelle says: (11:35:03 AM) destruction derby is, of course, a playstation game so that just requires me to bring the ps!

thomaswestin = Skype ID says: (11:35:44 AM) how is our schedule for the day; lecture and such? Is the accessibility arcade first, or are we having a mix of lectures and hands-on sessions during the day?

michelle says: (11:35:53 AM) http://www.igda.org/wiki/index.php/GDC_Tutorial_2006_Schedule

michelle says: (11:36:06 AM) the arcade is during every break

Barrie (One Switch) says: (11:36:12 AM) If we're relying upon too many PCs what about another console game?

thomaswestin = Skype ID says: (11:36:15 AM) ah, great. Have missed that one

michelle says: (11:36:29 AM) ideas?

michelle says: (11:36:59 AM) my students will be running around and passing out fliers during the breaks to invite people in to see the accessibility arcade

Barrie (One Switch) says: (11:37:12 AM) I know it's ancient - but Ms. Pac-Man on the Atari VCS allows you to select 1-4 ghosts + has a lable on the front about Accessibility features (kind of). Possibility?

michelle says: (11:37:39 AM) i think we want to go with as many modern examples as possible

michelle says: (11:37:43 AM) for the arcade

Barrie (One Switch) says: (11:37:55 AM) Everybody's Golf is pretty good.

Barrie (One Switch) says: (11:38:07 AM) Burnout 3 has some nice features too on Xobx

michelle says: (11:38:09 AM) not sure -- just am thinking about how we'll be showing space invaders in the first hour

Barrie (One Switch) says: (11:38:10 AM) Xbox even

michelle says: (11:38:23 AM) burnout 3 -- which features?

michelle says: (11:38:52 AM) anyone have access to an xbox alternate controller?

Barrie (One Switch) says: (11:38:55 AM) One button (repeatedly) gets you going - Game rarely traps you in a ditch or up against scenery.

Barrie (One Switch) says: (11:39:16 AM) I have a single handed controller with an adapter that may work.

michelle says: (11:39:20 AM) ok cool

Barrie (One Switch) says: (11:39:29 AM) Will test it and let you know.

michelle says: (11:39:35 AM) let's keep moving through the schedule for now

thomaswestin = Skype ID says: (11:39:38 AM) we should encourage all speakers to end their speech with reminding about the arcade

michelle says: (11:39:46 AM) and then talk more in depth

thomaswestin = Skype ID says: (11:39:54 AM) yes

michelle says: (11:40:07 AM) yes, i am planning on emailing them and asking them if they'd make a short announcement

thombusc says: (11:40:11 AM) have a background on the computer that runs in between the sessions with a pitch on it!

thomaswestin = Skype ID says: (11:40:39 AM) good idea!

michelle says: (11:40:52 AM) ok, roundtables!

michelle says: (11:41:01 AM) this is after the morning coffee break

michelle says: (11:41:03 AM) before lunch

michelle says: (11:41:12 AM) there's 15 minutes that aren't filled

michelle says: (11:41:36 AM) not sure what to do there.15 minutes is a long time to say "ok so we're going to have roundtables..."

michelle says: (11:41:46 AM) maybe we can introduce people to the sig and such then

michelle says: (11:42:01 AM) tell them more about ourselves

michelle says: (11:42:27 AM) then move into an explanation on how the roundtables will work

michelle says: (11:42:38 AM) so...here's my idea

michelle says: (11:42:43 AM) 60 minutes for the roundtables

michelle says: (11:42:48 AM) 20 minutes intervals

michelle says: (11:42:56 AM) so people switch tables every 20 minutes

michelle says: (11:43:11 AM) the speakers will repeat their discussion every 20 minutes

michelle says: (11:43:24 AM) focus on getting main info out and then facilitating small group discussion

Eric says: (11:43:51 AM) afk

michelle says: (11:44:05 AM) we have academia, legal...and marketing/stats...anyone feel ok about doing marketing/stats?

thomaswestin = Skype ID says: (11:44:19 AM) good, by introducing ourselves before the roundtables give us more time for discussion at the roundtables

michelle says: (11:44:31 AM) this is kind of related to the top ten

michelle says: (11:44:41 AM) things that people can take their project managers, etc

michelle says: (11:44:53 AM) ok, so we have x number of people with disability 1

michelle says: (11:45:32 AM) could be a great chance to learn what people need to know to convince their companies to create more accessible games

michelle says: (11:45:57 AM) so does the roundtable idea work for everyone? anyone super confused?

Arthit73 has been added to the conversation.

Barrie (One Switch) says: (11:46:19 AM) Sounds straight forward enough.

thomaswestin = Skype ID says: (11:46:28 AM) I'm OK with it

Kevin says: (11:46:33 AM) Shouldn't be a problem.

michelle says: (11:46:45 AM) ok let's move past the arcade and onto the afternoon sessions!

thombusc says: (11:46:46 AM) I am currently idle.

Dimitris says: (11:46:48 AM) sounds ok for me too

michelle says: (11:47:05 AM) so again

michelle says: (11:47:06 AM) http://www.igda.org/wiki/index.php/GDC_Tutorial_2006_Schedule

Arthit73 says: (11:47:11 AM) Hi everyone just wanted to say hello. Thanks for using my video at the conference I hope you can put that web site link also.

Arthit73 says: (11:47:24 AM) Haven't received word for the winners of the scholarship but by the 15th we should know

michelle says: (11:47:24 AM) 2-2:50 -- visual disabilities

thombusc says: (11:47:26 AM) if I am not needed for the afternoon there is an IGDAchapter coordinator workshop I would lik to attend

Barrie (One Switch) says: (11:47:28 AM) Hi Robert.

michelle says: (11:47:55 AM) tom -- that would be fine -- any way you could pop back in for the last half hour?

michelle says: (11:48:04 AM) that's the q&a panel

michelle says: (11:48:24 AM) i thought that we could do that at the end and some may have some more questions about legal issues

Arthit73 says: (11:48:25 AM) Has there been word about scholarship winners barrie?

thombusc says: (11:48:28 AM) sure...you have 1st pick on my time...jut tel me when you need me

michelle says: (11:48:46 AM) no, no word yet -- we don't get info about it until the igda announces it

Arthit73 says: (11:49:08 AM) There still is hope

michelle says: (11:49:09 AM) cool -- yeah, we basically need you for that roundtable hour and then the last half hour (5:30-6

Arthit73 says: (11:49:18 AM) I just got electricity back two hours ago from this eastern storm snowstorm

thombusc says: (11:49:21 AM) ok

michelle says: (11:49:29 AM) yipes

michelle says: (11:49:42 AM) 2-2:50pm:

   * Visual Disabilities
         o Assigned to Thomas, Goran, Sander, Richard, Matthew 

2:50-3:10pm:

   * Learning Disabilities
         o Assigned to Eric, Dimitris 

3:10-4pm:

   * Auditory Disabilities
         o Assigned to Reid 

Arthit73 says: (11:49:49 AM) I wish I could contribute more here but I have to get back to classes today

michelle says: (11:49:59 AM) that's ok robert!

michelle says: (11:50:14 AM) so we have a LOT of people on visual disabilities...

Arthit73 says: (11:50:20 AM) I'll be around online however if I am needed

michelle says: (11:50:35 AM) ok thanks robert 

Arthit73 says: (11:50:42 AM) Later everyone

michelle says: (11:50:51 AM) 4:15-5pm:

   * Mobility Disabilties
         o Assigned to Eric, Dimitris 

michelle says: (11:51:26 AM) is anyone assigned to something that doesn't make any sense?

Barrie (One Switch) says: (11:51:34 AM) Bye Robert!

thomaswestin = Skype ID says: (11:51:57 AM) göran will talk about GA in general terms, the social impact and such and not so much specifically about visual dis.

Dimitris says: (11:51:58 AM) I have done some work on learning disabilities, but it is not my field of expertise - i could talk a bit about it but if someone else knows more about it...

michelle says: (11:52:05 AM) oooh

michelle says: (11:52:14 AM) ok maybe he should be a roundtable then?

Kevin says: (11:52:40 AM) I can help out with the LD section. I have a bit of experience with it, since all 3 of my sons have varying forms of it.

michelle says: (11:52:54 AM) learning disabilities is 20 minutes -- i shortened it. ok, that's great kevin

Dimitris says: (11:52:56 AM) that would be great - hi kevin!

Kevin says: (11:53:05 AM) Hi Dimitris.

michelle says: (11:53:12 AM) do you want to cover that then, kevin?

michelle says: (11:53:25 AM) here's what i envision for these sessions

Kevin says: (11:53:28 AM) Are you looking for definitions and effects of LD on games

michelle says: (11:53:29 AM) some lectre

michelle says: (11:53:47 AM) but then also having some demos too

michelle says: (11:54:03 AM) we need to avoid the straight lecture thing i think

michelle says: (11:54:16 AM) break it up with some more interactive stuff with the audience

Barrie (One Switch) says: (11:54:28 AM) There is one game on the CD that is aimed at learning disabled gamers - The football game (forgotten the name at present) - might be worth a mention.

Kevin says: (11:54:34 AM) Maybe examples - for example how someone with dylexia would see apage.

thomaswestin = Skype ID says: (11:54:36 AM) yes Göran can run a roundtable

michelle says: (11:54:41 AM) bring some of them up to try some more games -- games that aren't shown at the accessibility examples

michelle says: (11:55:09 AM) Ok, should we have four 15 minute roundtable rotations? or should we have 3 and bag the one about stats/marketing?

Kevin says: (11:55:44 AM) What was the fourth one?

thomaswestin = Skype ID says: (11:55:47 AM) yes, if no one feels like having stats roundtable of course

michelle says: (11:55:48 AM) yeah i think for learning disabilities, examples would be good

Barrie (One Switch) says: (11:55:57 AM) (Penalty! is the game)

michelle says: (11:56:09 AM) well, it's more of a matter of who would do it and what we'd say

Dimitris says: (11:56:10 AM) or we could asign it to the 15 mins available before lunch

thomaswestin = Skype ID says: (11:56:30 AM) brb

michelle says: (11:56:37 AM) no, that's the GD SIG intro

michelle says: (11:56:47 AM) but we could just add in some stats in that presentation

michelle says: (11:57:00 AM) it's the 15 minutes right after the coffee break

Dimitris says: (11:57:18 AM) yes that;s what i meant - sorry

michelle says: (11:57:22 AM) no prob!

michelle says: (11:57:36 AM) ok let's think about that then -- 3 versus 4 roundtables

michelle says: (11:57:42 AM) ok the final hour of the day

michelle says: (11:57:48 AM) 1/2 hour of summary remarks

michelle says: (11:58:07 AM) 1/2 hour of question and answer panel

michelle says: (11:58:09 AM) comments?

Barrie (One Switch) says: (11:58:53 AM) Good place to reiterate the top 10 and explain that any efforts are better than no efforts at accessibility.

Barrie (One Switch) says: (11:59:07 AM) And that many are not too tough to implement.

thomaswestin = Skype ID says: (11:59:13 AM) are these interactive sessions, with q&a or a lecture-style summary?

Dimitris says: (11:59:27 AM) maybe some people would like to revisit the accessibility arcade to see in practice or question some of the things they learned

thomaswestin = Skype ID says: (11:59:42 AM) I mean the summery remarks

thomaswestin = Skype ID says: (12:00:58 PM) if we gather papers with notes from all the roundtables, with bullet-lists we can quickly compile them for the summary

michelle says: (12:01:14 PM) well, i hadn't figured out the summary

michelle says: (12:01:43 PM) but the q&a session i thought that would be interactive -- the audience would ask us questions based on what they learned and what they still have questions about

michelle says: (12:02:13 PM) we could do a 20 minute arcade break

michelle says: (12:02:23 PM) 20 minute q&a

michelle says: (12:02:46 PM) and the a 20 minute summary -- with the top ten stuff -- we could plug the roundtables then 

thomaswestin = Skype ID says: (12:02:46 PM) yes

Dimitris says: (12:03:23 PM) will the arcade be in a different room? if not it could run in parallel with q&a

michelle says: (12:03:28 PM) no, in the same room

michelle says: (12:03:46 PM) the word "arcade" i think is a bit misleading sounding

michelle says: (12:03:54 PM) it's really just going to be 4-6 machines

michelle says: (12:04:13 PM) with some really strong accessible games running on them

michelle says: (12:04:44 PM) i guess i was thinking that the q&a would be a time for all presenters to get on the stage

michelle says: (12:05:01 PM) and we'd have a chance to bring things together for the group

Barrie (One Switch) says: (12:05:08 PM) Re. the arcade - could you get me an address to send the stuff onto please Michelle?

Barrie (One Switch) says: (12:05:22 PM) Your place again?

michelle says: (12:05:26 PM) mailing address?

Barrie (One Switch) says: (12:05:34 PM) For the hardware

michelle says: (12:05:36 PM) ah

michelle says: (12:05:42 PM) 401 ginger bend drive #212

michelle says: (12:05:48 PM) Champaign, IL 61822

michelle says: (12:05:49 PM) USA

Barrie (One Switch) says: (12:05:57 PM) Addressed to yourself?

michelle says: (12:06:10 PM) yes, michelle hinn -- that's my home address

Barrie (One Switch) says: (12:06:12 PM) Ta.

michelle says: (12:06:19 PM) i trust that address more than my work address 

michelle says: (12:06:52 PM) ok wow -- it's past the hour now and i have to run to another meeting

thomaswestin = Skype ID says: (12:07:07 PM) yes I need to get some dinner, i'm starving

michelle says: (12:07:08 PM) i'll leave this running if you guys want to chat some more about the day

michelle says: (12:07:10 PM) ah ok

michelle says: (12:07:14 PM) so wednesday then?

thomaswestin = Skype ID says: (12:07:19 PM) yep

Dimitris says: (12:07:21 PM) yep

michelle says: (12:07:30 PM) ok i'll work on the schedule some more

Barrie (One Switch) says: (12:07:30 PM) I shall do my best, can't make Friday though.

thomaswestin = Skype ID says: (12:07:35 PM) bye 

michelle says: (12:07:42 PM) and then we can chat more about the details

Barrie (One Switch) says: (12:07:48 PM) Cheers all - I've got to scoot too.

Kevin says: (12:08:03 PM) I don't know if I'll be there Wednesday - Access & Accessibilty class meets at noon.

michelle says: (12:08:16 PM) ok no prob -- i'll keep posting the chats on the wiki

Kevin says: (12:08:31 PM) Thanks. Got to go to a meeting now. Bye all.

Dimitris says: (12:08:32 PM) i ll send you the demo & some info tomorrow

michelle says: (12:08:38 PM) sounds good!

Dimitris says: (12:08:42 PM) bye

michelle says: (12:08:43 PM) ok i'm off to my meeting!

michelle says: (12:08:46 PM) bye everyone!

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Dimitris says: (12:09:09 PM) go to go too...

Dimitris says: (12:09:11 PM) bye

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thombusc says: (12:11:43 PM) l8r

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