GASIG Meeting 15-February-2006

International Game Developers Association

To: arthit73@cablespeed.com, d.grammenos@hotmail.com, gaarkeuken123456789@hotmail.com, kjb@it.rit.edu, nsvandam@netvision.net.il, s9walke3@hotmail.com, thomas@pininteractive.com Start Time: 10:58:23 AM; End Time: 11:52:42 AM Ries has been added to the conversation.

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michelle says: (10:58:54 AM) yeah, i keep getting kicked off of msn -- anyone else?

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Ries says: (10:59:12 AM) just one time

michelle says: (10:59:53 AM) http://www.igda.org/wiki/index.php/GDC_2006_Tutorial

michelle says: (11:00:26 AM) http://www.igda.org/wiki/index.php/GDC_Tutorial_2006_Schedule

michelle says: (11:00:38 AM) so right now you are scheduled to speak with a lot of people

Arthit73 says: (11:00:45 AM) Michelle I heard back about the scholarship winners and

michelle says: (11:00:47 AM) visual disabilities

michelle says: (11:01:04 AM) hi robert!

Arthit73 says: (11:01:04 AM) I got the scholarship!

michelle says: (11:01:07 AM) WHOA!

michelle says: (11:01:08 AM) cool!

Ries says: (11:01:08 AM) hi!

Ries says: (11:01:11 AM) GREAT!

Ries says: (11:01:18 AM) Congratulations!

Ries says: (11:01:22 AM) That's amazing!

Arthit73 says: (11:01:28 AM) I won't be able to make the tutorial with Monday being crazy for winners

michelle says: (11:01:40 AM) gotcha -- what do they have you doing?

Arthit73 says: (11:01:45 AM) We have a tour to electronic arts and a orientation Monday

michelle says: (11:01:50 AM) ah i see

Arthit73 says: (11:02:04 AM) The pass is a classic pass so it's not access to tutorials

Arthit73 says: (11:02:15 AM) I don't know what that means how do I get to one I'd like to attend one at least

Arthit73 says: (11:02:27 AM) This is so amazing air travel is a lot more expensive but it's worth it with the recognition from the scholarship

michelle says: (11:02:44 AM) well i wouldn't worry about the tutorial -- that's basically for people who don't know about accessibility

Arthit73 says: (11:02:56 AM) That make sense

michelle says: (11:02:57 AM) so you don't have access to the sessions either?

Arthit73 says: (11:03:18 AM) I'll have to check again

Arthit73 says: (11:03:24 AM) I think it is a classic bass

michelle says: (11:03:28 AM) ok small meeting! 

Ries says: (11:03:33 AM) yep

michelle says: (11:03:50 AM) so basically you'll be co-presenting with all the folks on that list

Ries says: (11:03:51 AM) I'm currently trying to get Sander to join

michelle says: (11:03:58 AM) is there any other place you'd like to present?

Arthit73 says: (11:03:58 AM) I finally get to meet you all

Ries says: (11:04:14 AM) but I think he stepped away from his computer for a late-valentine romantic dinner with his girlfriend

michelle says: (11:04:14 AM) there are 5 people scheduled for the 50 minutes

michelle says: (11:04:33 AM) haha day after valentine's day eh?

Ries says: (11:04:38 AM) yeah

Ries says: (11:04:47 AM) ok, which 50 minutes so i can get my head straight

Ries says: (11:04:49 AM) ?

michelle says: (11:04:51 AM) yeah that will be great robert -- it will be fun!

michelle says: (11:04:55 AM) http://www.igda.org/wiki/index.php/GDC_Tutorial_2006_Schedule

michelle says: (11:05:00 AM) look at 2pm

Ries says: (11:05:12 AM) ah, you are referring to the 50 minutes of blind games 

michelle says: (11:05:18 AM) yes

Ries says: (11:05:39 AM) yes, sander and I spent yesterday planning our presentation/thingy

michelle says: (11:05:45 AM) so are do you know what the plan is for the sessions on disability?

Ries says: (11:05:50 AM) but 50 minutes is actually really really short

michelle says: (11:05:55 AM) so you'll be joined by a few others too

michelle says: (11:06:02 AM) yeah learning disabilities got cut

michelle says: (11:06:07 AM) to 20 minutes

Ries says: (11:06:11 AM) ah, ok

michelle says: (11:06:22 AM) 6 hours seems like a lot when you are planning

michelle says: (11:06:30 AM) but then when you see all the breaks...

Ries says: (11:06:32 AM) matthew isnt coming right?

michelle says: (11:06:40 AM) it's not so easy

Ries says: (11:06:41 AM) yeah, i understand 

michelle says: (11:06:43 AM) oh he isn't?

michelle says: (11:06:49 AM) oh that's right

Ries says: (11:07:12 AM) so it's the Dutch and the Swedish guys only

Ries says: (11:07:21 AM) (or where is Thomas from anyway?)

Ries says: (11:07:52 AM) Are thomas and goran doing 1 "presentation" together or do they have seperate talks?

michelle says: (11:07:59 AM) yes 1 presentation together

michelle says: (11:08:04 AM) yeah thomas is in sweden

Ries says: (11:08:06 AM) ok, Sander and me as well

michelle says: (11:08:16 AM) goran is presenting somewhere else -- i just changed it

Ries says: (11:08:24 AM) ah ok

Ries says: (11:08:30 AM) lemme see

Ries says: (11:08:35 AM) (away)

michelle says: (11:08:58 AM) ok so basically we want the sessions to include hand's on demos and not be straight lecture

Ries says: (11:09:13 AM) great

Ries says: (11:09:16 AM) (back)

michelle says: (11:09:28 AM) once you have a tentative plan, go ahead and post it on the wiki

michelle says: (11:09:35 AM) so that you two and thomas can work together

michelle says: (11:09:45 AM) thomas i don't think can be here today

Ries says: (11:09:53 AM) Sander and I already made an outline of our presentation

michelle says: (11:10:00 AM) cool

Ries says: (11:10:00 AM) ok....

Ries says: (11:10:08 AM) basically we can go any direction still

Ries says: (11:10:44 AM) but we are required to at least show one or two slides about http://www.game-accessibility.com since that's where our funding comes from

michelle says: (11:10:48 AM) why don't you post it toward the bottom of that page and I can move it whenever you're ready

michelle says: (11:10:52 AM) yeah, that's no problem

Ries says: (11:11:09 AM) we would like to show Drive as an example of an audio game

Ries says: (11:11:18 AM) and Sudo-San as an example of a blind-accessible game

Ries says: (11:11:43 AM) these can be hands on demos

michelle says: (11:11:50 AM) ok, i know that thomas would like to show terraformers too

michelle says: (11:11:55 AM) there's the accessibility arcade

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Ries says: (11:12:05 AM) yes.. and that's my first question

michelle says: (11:12:08 AM) where we'll be setting up machines for that

Ries says: (11:12:09 AM) hi thomas!

michelle says: (11:12:10 AM) ah perfect

michelle says: (11:12:14 AM) thomas!

thomaswestin = Skype ID says: (11:12:19 AM) hi!

michelle says: (11:12:26 AM) so we're talking about the visual disabilities time slot!

thomaswestin = Skype ID says: (11:12:32 AM) OK!

michelle says: (11:12:36 AM) why don't you and richard chat on your ideas for that

Ries says: (11:12:36 AM) question #1: what exactly is the difference between people trying the games in the acc arcade and during the lectures?

michelle says: (11:12:42 AM) ah ok

Ries says: (11:12:57 AM) or is it just showing the demo's?

michelle says: (11:12:59 AM) so the arcade will be open during breaks

michelle says: (11:13:03 AM) coffee and lunch

Ries says: (11:13:08 AM) yes I know]

michelle says: (11:13:24 AM) and hopefully we can draw people in from outside to check it out whether or not they participate in the tutorial

Ries says: (11:13:31 AM) ok

michelle says: (11:13:34 AM) the demos during lecture

michelle says: (11:13:42 AM) are more targeted run throughs

michelle says: (11:13:46 AM) so you might show one game

michelle says: (11:14:11 AM) and say "see this aspect"? this is what we put in to make it accessible for the deaf, etc

michelle says: (11:14:23 AM) then if you wanted to

michelle says: (11:14:31 AM) you could bring people up to play a round

Ries says: (11:14:48 AM) ah ok... "have a go at finishing this sudoku in 1 minute "

Ries says: (11:14:51 AM) I understand

michelle says: (11:14:53 AM) right

Ries says: (11:14:58 AM) ok, this is basically how I teach classes too

michelle says: (11:14:59 AM) so it's more targeted and guided

michelle says: (11:15:07 AM) whereas the arcade is more free exploration

Ries says: (11:15:33 AM) ok

michelle says: (11:15:43 AM) so hand's on with a time limit 

michelle says: (11:15:50 AM) is what the session demos will be

Ries says: (11:15:59 AM) is anyone by the way doing an "accessible game design" presentation/tuorial by any chance... with this i mean

Ries says: (11:16:12 AM) not so much related to ONE handicap but more in general

Ries says: (11:16:14 AM) ?

michelle says: (11:16:16 AM) ah,

michelle says: (11:16:26 AM) yes, thomas isn't that what goran has planned?

Ries says: (11:16:37 AM) with special emphasis on "DESIGN"

michelle says: (11:17:01 AM) so there are roundtables on legal, academic, and design (i think?)

thomaswestin = Skype ID says: (11:17:04 AM) yes Göran will tlk about game accesibility in general, from a sociocultural point of view

michelle says: (11:17:09 AM) ah ok

michelle says: (11:17:16 AM) let me look at the schedule for a sec

Ries says: (11:17:19 AM) ok, so not a designers point of view

Ries says: (11:17:32 AM) the thing is, Sander and I share a couple of ideas we would like to bring forward

michelle says: (11:17:36 AM) we could do it at 5pm

michelle says: (11:17:39 AM) the summary remarks

Ries says: (11:17:49 AM) yes, we were thinking about that too... or the round table

michelle says: (11:17:52 AM) or the all speakers panel at 5:30

Ries says: (11:17:58 AM) yes...

michelle says: (11:18:05 AM) yes, maybe we have 4 15 minute roundtables?

michelle says: (11:18:24 AM) one on sociocultural, one on legal issues, one on academic, one on design

michelle says: (11:18:47 AM) so each audience member gets a 15 minute short presentation with lots of discussion

michelle says: (11:19:24 AM) in the summary remarks, i was thinking of introducing the "top ten"

Ries says: (11:19:28 AM) (looking in the timetable - when is this?)

michelle says: (11:19:32 AM) that will be talked about more

Ries says: (11:19:33 AM) yes... the top 10

thomaswestin = Skype ID says: (11:19:45 AM) I was also thinking to show some different interfaces, e.g a biofeedback systen for brain-computer interaction I've been experimenting with. COuld be an example of how multiple disabilities could be handled, i.e visual + mobility

michelle says: (11:19:48 AM) 11:30

michelle says: (11:19:58 AM) the roundtables

Ries says: (11:19:58 AM) (thanks)

michelle says: (11:20:14 AM) sorry the schedule isn't super easy to navigate yet -- need to add some stuff to it!

Ries says: (11:20:22 AM) 

michelle says: (11:20:37 AM) at 11:15 we'll introduce the SIG -- and if you'd like we could introduce your initiative that we are a part of too

Ries says: (11:21:00 AM) I do not *yet* know if the subject is ready for a roundtable yet....

michelle says: (11:21:04 AM) at 5pm we have summary remarks -- i thought it could be a teaser for the roundtables

Ries says: (11:21:25 AM) ok...

michelle says: (11:21:27 AM) oh i was talking about the 2 slides you are presenting

Ries says: (11:21:37 AM) ?

michelle says: (11:21:38 AM) ok i think we have some wording mix ups

Ries says: (11:21:42 AM) ok...

Ries says: (11:21:53 AM) the 2 slides are simple in our presentation ... that's easy

michelle says: (11:21:54 AM) so at 11:15 there's a 15 minute presentation on what the GA SIG is

Ries says: (11:22:08 AM) ok

michelle says: (11:22:10 AM) I thought that would be a good time to talk about those two slides that you were going to present too

Ries says: (11:22:42 AM) ah ok... like a "game accessibility initiatives from around the world" sort of angle?

michelle says: (11:22:45 AM) it's like a 15 minute talk on resources

michelle says: (11:22:47 AM) yep!

michelle says: (11:22:57 AM) then at 11:30 we move to the roundtables

michelle says: (11:23:02 AM) the tutorial roundtables!

Ries says: (11:23:02 AM) ok... that would certainly be more coherent actually

michelle says: (11:23:22 AM) 4 stations that people spend 15 minutes each at

Ries says: (11:23:28 AM) otherwise we would be talking about games for the blind and audiogames but ALSO about the game accessibility project in holland

michelle says: (11:23:31 AM) one could be you and sander talking about design

michelle says: (11:23:42 AM) one is legal, one is academic, one is sociocultural

michelle says: (11:24:05 AM) yeah, that's what i thought too -- that it would make more sense to talk about all of that at one time

Ries says: (11:24:28 AM) ok... I'll discuss with with Sander... we have to see if we got enough "material" to talk about

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Ries says: (11:24:40 AM) not much of it is written down yet 

michelle says: (11:24:52 AM) ok just let me know -- the roundtables are very discussion oriented

Ries says: (11:25:04 AM) but it more like "where in a design process does ga come in" and

michelle says: (11:25:09 AM) so you'd present some provocative ideas/statements and get people to talk

Ries says: (11:25:19 AM) "is game accessibility about interface design or game design?"

Ries says: (11:25:25 AM) and questions like that...

michelle says: (11:25:31 AM) yes

michelle says: (11:25:40 AM) and where in the dev process does this come in

Ries says: (11:25:50 AM) one moment...

michelle says: (11:26:13 AM) get our participants to start thinking about how to get these things that they are going to learn about in the afternoon into action

thomaswestin = Skype ID says: (11:26:32 AM) one formal thing: how about powerpoints, do we have to give GDC those before the 20th? I am not planning to use powerpoint at all

Ries says: (11:26:48 AM) good point

michelle says: (11:26:53 AM) no, i emailed them and said that everything is going to be online and that we are demo heavy

Ries says: (11:27:05 AM) I received an email asking for powerpoints and handouts..

michelle says: (11:27:06 AM) and that we'll have a companion cd

michelle says: (11:27:10 AM) yeah, we all did

Ries says: (11:27:18 AM) I thought so muuch 

michelle says: (11:27:19 AM) don't worry about that -- i'll take care of that bit

Ries says: (11:27:24 AM) k...thanks!

thomaswestin = Skype ID says: (11:27:28 AM) OK good

michelle says: (11:27:47 AM) so in the afternoon we have talks on different disability groups

michelle says: (11:27:56 AM) then at 5pm there's a summary remarks

michelle says: (11:28:19 AM) this is when i'm going to plug the roundtable sessions (that are on wednesday and thursday) and talk a bit about the top ten

thomaswestin = Skype ID says: (11:28:32 AM) actually, I think my presentation will fit better under the Mobility Disabilities. Of course I could talk at the Visual ... too but I'm a bit tired of talking about Terraformers 

michelle says: (11:28:43 AM) 

michelle says: (11:28:51 AM) ok, that would work too thomas

thomaswestin = Skype ID says: (11:29:09 AM) OK good

michelle says: (11:29:21 AM) we only have reid talking about auditory!

Ries says: (11:29:32 AM)  we have that with Drive too

michelle says: (11:29:33 AM) but he's our main guy for that

michelle says: (11:29:46 AM) no for the hearing impaired

thomaswestin = Skype ID says: (11:29:54 AM) well as a twist I could talk about terrformers from deaf persons point of view 

michelle says: (11:29:55 AM) or is that what you meant?

michelle says: (11:30:14 AM) 

michelle says: (11:30:36 AM) so at 5:30 we have an "all speakers" panel

michelle says: (11:30:43 AM) this is a question and answer session

michelle says: (11:31:12 AM) gives people a chance to ask us questions that they have been forming during the day

michelle says: (11:31:46 AM) ok my main suggestion now is that we start linking our outlines to the wiki

Ries says: (11:32:20 AM) good

michelle says: (11:32:22 AM) so we can see what kind of coverage we have, who is saying what, presenting what so that we can help each other make our talks as interactive as possible

thomaswestin = Skype ID says: (11:33:58 AM) yes that is vital, so that we can get an overview and plan for in what context our own speeches will be; i.e what others have already said etc

Ries says: (11:34:12 AM) right...

Ries says: (11:34:34 AM) also that I don't discuss point of the top 10 list before it has actually been explained etc.

michelle says: (11:34:40 AM) so basically that's mainly what the status of things are

thomaswestin = Skype ID says: (11:34:48 AM) OK

michelle says: (11:34:48 AM) yes, don't go into detail about the top ten

michelle says: (11:35:06 AM) the two roundtables on wednesday and thursday will be devoted to the nitty gritty points of that

michelle says: (11:35:11 AM) brb

thomaswestin = Skype ID says: (11:35:53 AM) one thing: I'd like to set the deadline for submissions to the CD to March 12; me and my colleagues will spend Monday 13 burning CD 

Ries says: (11:36:05 AM) rrrrr...

thomaswestin = Skype ID says: (11:36:06 AM) those smileys... 

thomaswestin = Skype ID says: (11:37:02 AM) are you OK with that?

michelle says: (11:37:19 AM) that sounds good

thomaswestin = Skype ID says: (11:37:25 AM) good

Ries says: (11:37:43 AM) yes

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michelle says: (11:37:57 AM) so you'll have some kind of read me file on the cd?

michelle says: (11:38:04 AM) uh, is this sander?

Ries says: (11:38:04 AM) gaarkeuken = sander!

Ries says: (11:38:07 AM) hi sander!

Ries says: (11:38:26 AM) yes...

thomaswestin = Skype ID says: (11:38:30 AM) I could, I'm not sure what the readme should contain though

michelle says: (11:38:40 AM) just a listing of what's on the cd

Ries says: (11:38:45 AM) we would still like to add a movie of Demor to the cd

Ries says: (11:38:58 AM) but we have to make it accessible first (subtitling etc.)

Ries says: (11:39:10 AM) will be finished before the 12th 

michelle says: (11:39:13 AM) double accessibility!

thomaswestin = Skype ID says: (11:39:17 AM) OK good!

Ries says: (11:39:21 AM) yeah!

Ries says: (11:40:00 AM) otherwise they'll probably redraw our funding if we start spreading inaccessible movies of accessible games 

michelle says: (11:40:12 AM) yeah really!

thomaswestin = Skype ID says: (11:40:20 AM) 

Ries says: (11:40:41 AM) (Is Sander here now or not...?)

michelle says: (11:40:54 AM) not sure...

Gaarkeuken says: (11:40:57 AM) sorry, i've got a phone call, one moment please...

Ries says: (11:41:01 AM) ah ok...

michelle says: (11:41:03 AM) yep he's here

michelle says: (11:41:04 AM) 

Ries says: (11:41:11 AM) (first famous words on the GA-SIG list)

michelle says: (11:41:22 AM) yeah great intro line 

Ries says: (11:41:32 AM) hehe

Ries says: (11:41:54 AM) ok... so what else?

thomaswestin = Skype ID says: (11:41:58 AM) OK so until next meeting: if we all put in our speech outlines into the wiki then?

michelle says: (11:42:20 AM) so that's about it for right now -- yeah, start putting speech outlines or at least a description on the wiki

michelle says: (11:42:32 AM) i'll clean it up right now so that it's easier to navigate!

thomaswestin = Skype ID says: (11:42:42 AM) also some topic details for the roundtables?

michelle says: (11:42:49 AM) yep

Ries says: (11:42:53 AM) (found it)

michelle says: (11:42:56 AM) some questions to ask, etc

thomaswestin = Skype ID says: (11:43:05 AM) yes, I'll tell Göran

michelle says: (11:43:45 AM) whoa

Ries says: (11:43:59 AM) there you go...

michelle says: (11:44:18 AM) so that's for the design roundtable, right?

michelle says: (11:44:23 AM) looks good!

Ries says: (11:44:38 AM) no necessarily, but it examplifies our thoughts about game accessibility

michelle says: (11:44:44 AM) gotcha 

Ries says: (11:44:57 AM) can't email it to everyone in one go can i?

michelle says: (11:45:05 AM) how large is it?

thomaswestin = Skype ID says: (11:45:08 AM) drop it here into the chat

thomaswestin = Skype ID says: (11:45:33 AM) or maybe not, not sure if MSN can handle it with multiple participtants

Ries says: (11:45:40 AM) no, doesn;t work...

michelle says: (11:46:05 AM) email it to the list -- i'll probably have to override it so it will go through

thomaswestin = Skype ID says: (11:46:05 AM) upload to FTP?

Gaarkeuken says: (11:46:05 AM) I am currently idle.

Ries says: (11:46:08 AM) might put in the the wiki otherwise

michelle says: (11:46:10 AM) lol

Ries says: (11:46:14 AM) yeah that's best...

michelle says: (11:46:16 AM) i am currently idle

michelle says: (11:46:26 AM) hehe

Ries says: (11:46:28 AM) why are you all idle?

Gaarkeuken says: (11:46:29 AM) am i just too late?

Ries says: (11:46:37 AM) yeah, you missed it all (even the cake)

michelle says: (11:46:39 AM) no i was just repeating it

Ries says: (11:46:49 AM) 

michelle says: (11:47:01 AM) yeah we're closing up shop now but i'll post the transcript online

Ries says: (11:47:04 AM) so how was your phonecall  ?

Gaarkeuken says: (11:47:18 AM) ok, well excuse me for a) the important phone call and b) my name... 

Ries says: (11:47:24 AM) hahahaha

Ries says: (11:47:32 AM) nothing wrong with important phonecalls 

Gaarkeuken says: (11:47:45 AM) I never use the msn-part of trillian

thomaswestin = Skype ID says: (11:47:47 AM) valentine day phone calls are important 

michelle says: (11:47:56 AM) is it today for you guys?

Ries says: (11:48:08 AM) no yesterday

Gaarkeuken says: (11:48:10 AM) no, it was yesterday.

thomaswestin = Skype ID says: (11:48:10 AM) oops, no yesterday...

thomaswestin = Skype ID says: (11:48:13 AM) 

Ries says: (11:48:13 AM) (east west remember?)

michelle says: (11:48:15 AM) oh you are just all late

Ries says: (11:48:25 AM) we always get anything that you get earlier...

Gaarkeuken says: (11:48:26 AM) right now it is time to go to a friend and drink a beer 

michelle says: (11:48:42 AM) day after valentine's day celebration then

Ries says: (11:48:49 AM) yeah...

Ries says: (11:48:59 AM) ok I'm gonna have dinner to and then I'm off to spain

thomaswestin = Skype ID says: (11:49:01 AM) yes that what we did, so I got that mixed up 

Ries says: (11:49:04 AM) sander > laptop?

michelle says: (11:49:17 AM) ok we'll that's all i have for now. it's lunch time. after that i'm off to, uh, the laundry room

Gaarkeuken says: (11:49:18 AM) let's discuss that privately... 

Ries says: (11:49:28 AM) yep!

Ries says: (11:49:30 AM) later!

Gaarkeuken says: (11:49:33 AM) I assume richard can tell me the details?

michelle says: (11:49:37 AM) yep!

michelle says: (11:49:43 AM) i'll also post it on the wiki

Ries says: (11:49:44 AM) yes, and MIchelle will post it in the wiki

thomaswestin = Skype ID says: (11:49:49 AM) OK, got to help my daughter .... see you friday?

michelle says: (11:49:54 AM) yep friday!

Ries says: (11:49:59 AM) no, I'm away

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michelle says: (11:50:06 AM) ok some of you on friday then

thomaswestin = Skype ID says: (11:50:06 AM) OK, bye

Gaarkeuken says: (11:50:08 AM) well, I will try to be present at anther chat, friday is a bit difficult I think

Ries says: (11:50:19 AM) Bye!

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Dimitris says: (11:50:26 AM) hi all....

michelle says: (11:50:27 AM) ok bye!

michelle says: (11:50:31 AM) oops 

Gaarkeuken says: (11:50:34 AM) bye

michelle says: (11:50:38 AM) hi there -- we're just finishing up

Dimitris says: (11:50:44 AM) it's ok

michelle says: (11:50:51 AM) i'll post the chat online

Dimitris says: (11:50:55 AM) sorry but i have a face 2 face meeting here...

Dimitris says: (11:51:02 AM) so i could not participate...

Gaarkeuken says: (11:51:03 AM) ok, thanks!

michelle says: (11:51:09 AM) no problem

Dimitris says: (11:51:17 AM) but i sent an e-mail about the space invaders game to the list...

Dimitris says: (11:51:36 AM) where you can download it from, etc.

michelle says: (11:51:47 AM) basically right now we want people to start posting their talk outlines online

Dimitris says: (11:51:47 AM) so have a look and tell me what u think about it...

michelle says: (11:51:51 AM) ok will do

Dimitris says: (11:51:59 AM) ok....

Dimitris says: (11:52:13 AM) sorry but i have to go.

michelle says: (11:52:23 AM) ok bye!

Dimitris says: (11:52:28 AM) bye...

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