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[edit] July 27, 2005

Coray: Hey Ed!
Dansky: Hi, folks
Dansky: I got dinged with an interview, so I'm going to have to run out around 12:15, give or take.
WendyDespain: hi Rich
WendyDespain: hi Ed
Ed Kuehnel: BRB
Chris Bateman: Hi all... Once again, I may have to leave the meeting early - maybe only 10 minutes before the end, though.
Chris Bateman: Can someone post the link to the writers SIG wiki here? I'm not on my standard machine. :)
Ed Kuehnel: Back
Dansky: You'll outlast me, Chris. I've got until 12:15.
Chris Bateman: In which case, Rich, do you want to do anything that you have to bring up now?
Chris Bateman: I'd look at the agenda, but I don't have the link yet... :)
Dansky: Just small notes. There's a concerted effort to get game stuff on the programming track at WHC next year. No movement on the E3 stuff.
Dansky: And the link is http://www.igda.org/wiki/index.php/Game_Writers_SIG
Dansky: They've had me on the road most of the last month, so things are a bit scattershot on my end.
WendyDespain: WHC?
Dansky: World Horror Con
WendyDespain: oh! awesome.
Dansky: And they are calling for me down the hall, so I must depart. If I can make it back, I will.
Chris Bateman: OK!
WendyDespain: good luck with the interview
Dansky: Thanks
WendyDespain: so.... where is everybody?
Chris Bateman: Yes, we're very short handed...
Chris Bateman: Anyway,we should get started.
Coray: Want a Quarterly Update?
Chris Bateman: A. Quartlery Report.
Chris Bateman: Yup.
Chris Bateman: See me type... Anyway.. Matters Arising: A. Quarterly Report.
Coray: Alrighty! Well, Ben and I identified and got in touch with an awesome group of writers to interview and sent them questions. Expecting replies from them by July 30th.
Coray: sorry, didn't mean to interrupt
Steve Jacobs: greetings
Chris Bateman: Okay, so it's moving forward, and that's all there is to report at the moment? :)
Chris Bateman: Stephen, do you have anything to comment on (B) Writers Book?
Coray: Pretty much...The writers we have lined up are Ed Byrne (Zipper), Mary DeMarle (Ubi), Sande Chen, Ed Kuehnel and Clint Hocking
Coray: (apologies for any spelling errors)
Steve Jacobs: Wiley's out, unless anyone has any other suggestions I can try another publisher or we can just go with Chris'
WendyDespain: just out of curiosity, who publishes the O'Reilly guides?
Chris Bateman: My publisher has said they're interested... I'm going to take the proposal to them in two weeks if we decide to do so.
WendyDespain: i'm in a bookstore, i could go look
WendyDespain: just wondered if anyone knew, and if they might be interested
Steve Jacobs: So am I wendy :-)
Ed Kuehnel: I'm in an adult book store.
Steve Jacobs: Might be a possibility, what with GTA and Playboy mansion ed
WendyDespain: we have the coolest offices
Steve Jacobs: Perhaps Penthouse would be interested :-)
Steve Jacobs: My cars getting a stereo upgrade and the borders across the street had acces, otherwise I'd be in my less cool rit office :-)
Ed Kuehnel: I dunno, I say if you have an interested publisher, go with it.
Chris Bateman: By the way, Rhianna sends apologies. She's stuck on the phone.
WendyDespain: anyway, I wonder if the O'Reilly opeople would be interested, just because they're so popular and so cool
Chris Bateman: Does everyone feel the same way, that any publisher is as good as another? Or do we want to hold out?
Coray: Was the interested publisher Charles River Media?
Chris Bateman: Yes, it is CRM.
Steve Jacobs: I don't think anyone's worried about the money and I think we'd be better off moving forward than taking too much more time IMHO
Coray: Honestly, I've enjoyed many of their books and I think they have a great presence at industry events. So I vote for CRM.
Chris Bateman: Oh, I forgot to mention on (a).... Well done Coray - everything seems to be coming along nicely on the QR!
Chris Bateman: Any dissenting opinions?
Coray: Thanks! Ben has done more than I though...so credit goes to him mostly.
WendyDespain: I have nothing against them
Chris Bateman: Well relay him our collective thanks! :)
Coray: will do!
WendyDespain: I just wanted a cute little animal on the cover :-P
Chris Bateman: Wendy: do you want to pursue O'Reilly? I know nothing about them personally.
Chris Bateman: And does anyone have a contact at O'Reilly? It's always much easier when someone knows someone...
WendyDespain: I'll look into it. If I haven't got anything done in two weeks, go ahead and send it to CRM
Chris Bateman: While we're chatting about this, I'll just slip in (C) Censored words list. I still have nothing on this. Sorry! It's proving to be non trivial.
WendyDespain: O'Reilly usually likes books that are written by one or two people
Chris Bateman: Okay, tha'ts cool.
Rhianna Pratchett: Hi, sorry I'm late had to take a phone call
Chris Bateman: (D) is Rich's WGA, but he's not here...
WendyDespain: hey Chris, have you contacted ESRB?
Chris Bateman: No - but the person on the censorship committee has - this is the point. He's supposed to be supplying me with the details the ESRB have sent him.
Chris Bateman: But the break in communication is both between him and the ESRB, and between me and him, so it's going slowly. :)
WendyDespain: I say... skip him :-)
WendyDespain: you might get a better response from ESRB as an interested writer, rather than someone with "censorship" on the agenda
Chris Bateman: Possibly. I would feel more comfortable pursuing this directly if I was in the US. Here in the UK, ELSPA is the eqivalent body. If someone else wants to consider taking this forward independtly who is US based I'll support that.
WendyDespain: I'm busy, but I'll see what I can do
WendyDespain: do you have a contact name at ESRB?
Chris Bateman: I don't want to seem to be forcing this upon you, since I feel I do that all the time! And no, I don't have an ESRB contact - but I can probably get one.
WendyDespain: do you want to get in t ouch with ELSPA?
Chris Bateman: And sure, I should get in touch with ELSPA. This is something I should already have done, I suspect.
WendyDespain: I don't feel forced upon
Chris Bateman: Alright, I'll get contacts, pursue ELSPA directly, and pass ESRB to Wendy if necessary.
WendyDespain: I'll add it to my list of things to do and see when/if anything happens with it
WendyDespain: :-)
Chris Bateman: (E) ACG Game Writers thread (Susan O'Connor)
Chris Bateman: She's not here...
WendyDespain: :-(
Chris Bateman: (F) GDC Side Track for Game Writing (Steve Jacobs) and (G) E3 co-branded event with WGA (Rich Dansky)
WendyDespain: I wonder if they still need bios of people added to the website or emailed to her
WendyDespain: they = ACG committee
Steve Jacobs: Y'all see my e-mail re Jamil and Siggraph??
WendyDespain: yeah
Steve Jacobs: anyone going??
WendyDespain: I believe Jennifer is in LA, but she's kind of new - I don't know if it's dumping too much in her lap
Chris Bateman: Unlikely any of us will go as it's not the sort of conference writers attend. It's a graphics technology conference isn't it?
Steve Jacobs: THat's cool
Ed Kuehnel: I had an idea for a side event I wouldn't mind bouncing off everyone if now's the time. It's a simple one really, something we could do in conjunction with anything else we have planned. More of a fun thing.
Steve Jacobs: I'll set up a phone conf with him when he gets back and see what they're thinking Ed Kuehnel: I won't be at Siggraph.
Ed Kuehnel: It's mostly an artist/programmer thing.
Steve Jacobs: It is a graphics thing but also a big computer animation thing so there's overlap with gamers sometimes, plus its in la
Steve Jacobs: Main thing is, as I hoped, with Jamil at the helm they're ready to pay more attention to writing
WendyDespain: the note sounded to me like he was thinking of next year
WendyDespain: but maybe I was reading too much into it
Steve Jacobs: no, I think you're likely right, organizations that large can't move as quickly as organizations like Austin
Chris Bateman: Since applications for GDC end in four days, it isn't going to happen this year.
Steve Jacobs: That's all ok with me per se. I think what we learn from running the thing at Austin will give us a much better idea of how to work something with GDC anyway
Chris Bateman: I think the $1,000,000 question is: do we aim to do something at GDC next year, or do we allow ourselves a year to get everything sorted?
WendyDespain: i'd still like to do a side event this year - maybe at E3 instead of GDC if we have our own conference at Austin
Ed Kuehnel: On a side note I MIGHT be attending the Austing Writer's conf.- my project manager found the website and asked if I wanted to go :)
Steve Jacobs: More of a windo for E3
WendyDespain: the answer is always "Yes" Ed...
WendyDespain: it's a different audience at E3, also
WendyDespain: more of an outreach instead of a preaching to the choir
Steve Jacobs: Re Austin, when do we get down to business ad decide who's presenting, who's going out to do support, etc?
Steve Jacobs: clock's running and October's looking pretty close
WendyDespain: I think the austin committee is already working on that, Steve - more behind the scenes, since it has to get done so quickly.
Steve Jacobs: Are they handling registration for us? are we supposed to, are we providing materials, etc,e etc, etc
WendyDespain: i think if you want to help or present, make sure Susan has your bio so she can fit you in the right spots
Steve Jacobs: ok
WendyDespain: but maybe if you posed those questions to her on the mailing list it owuldn't be a bad idea
WendyDespain: just to clarify
WendyDespain: too bad she's not here :-(
Ed Kuehnel: What about this for a GDC side thing? We spread the word that all us hot shot game writers are going to be at bar near the conv. center at a given time and place. There we hold an "improv game writing contest" open to anyone. Game writers duke it out and are judged by their contemporaries. The winner gets a silly little trophy and a HUGE ego boost. They have to give the trophy back next year and we give it out again. Eventually, the contest may become a real point of pride for writers and aspiring writers, draw big crowds, and be a lot of fun.
Coray: /me gives thumbs up
Steve Jacobs: sounds fun, perhaps we could even get a room and pay as you go bar in the center
Chris Bateman: It has the benefit of being a simple proposition at least. :)
Coray: Very true.
Ed Kuehnel: Yeah, an informal thing, but something people will have fun with- like an underground thing.
WendyDespain: yay Ed!
WendyDespain: that alone makes me want to go to GDC....
Ed Kuehnel: We could call it "Write Club"
WendyDespain: hee!
WendyDespain: you don't want to give out the Kuehnel Trophy?
Chris Bateman: There's still time to submit that as a proposal and do it inside GDC - but the proposal must be submitted within the next four days. If we want to do this, I suggest we do submit it to GDC.
Chris Bateman: If we name the trophy, can we name it after someone who's either dead, or one of the first game writers...?
Steve Jacobs: true
WendyDespain: i guess it could be classes as a round table
WendyDespain: classed
Ed Kuehnel: I'm actually getting together with my writing partner tonight to submit a bunch of stuff to GDC, I can submit that if you guys want me to. But it's probably more fun at a bar. Chris Bateman: I think we could consider it a round table. We need (a) Someone to run it (b) someone to submit it.
Coray: Ed, we could always have the reception at the bar :D
Chris Bateman: I'd be quite willing to run it, but I already have a lot of commitments for GDC, so it might be inappropriate.
Steve Jacobs: No commitments if we're short someone to do it
Steve Jacobs: Ed's idea though he should do it if he can
Coray: Agreed.
Chris Bateman: Ed, you willing?
Ed Kuehnel: I'll submit sure, but I'll definitely need help putting together a contest. I got the idea watching the trivia contest episode of The Office, so I thought you English had exp. w/pug games.
Ed Kuehnel: pub games.
Chris Bateman: I will happily help you run it, if you need help.
Ed Kuehnel: Cool.
Coray: Same here.
Steve Jacobs: ditto
WendyDespain: I'll help with the organizing
Chris Bateman: But I suggest you submit as just you to increase the chances of it being accepted.
Coray: Ya.
Chris Bateman: And does this mean we are happy to put off a side event at GDC for another year?
Ed Kuehnel: Alright I'll submit tonight and we'll see how it goes, if it's denied, we can always try it off-site.
Steve Jacobs: Pug games... Bowling with puppies? Pugs could be substituted instead of balls...
Sande: Hello
WendyDespain: that could be the SIG's first game
Chris Bateman: And I'll stress once again for dramatic effect you MUST submit in the next three days. I recommend you do it tomorrow if you have time, then if you need help, we can give it.
Chris Bateman: Hi Sande!
Steve Jacobs: Re GDC, I think we could still submit watever we want through the traditional chanels this year
Ed Kuehnel: Yeah we're coming down to the wire.
Sande: Are you discussing iron chef for writers at GDC?
Chris Bateman: It's CMP's fault - 30 days to submit proposals? Insane!
Steve Jacobs: yes, we can mince words!
Chris Bateman: *groans*
Coray: wait...Is the first rule of Write Club that you don't write about it? ;)
Coray: sorry, couldn't help it
WendyDespain: I suggest we use the Write Club idea for the SIG event at GDC and focus on something else for E3
Sande: I don't think are right club would be a round table, more like a tour tutorial?
Sande: Well it could be done as underground thing
Ed Kuehnel: What's a tour tutorial?
Chris Bateman: Can I have a quick show of virtual hands: can all those who think we shouldn't be attempting a side event at this years's GDC say "N" and all those who think we should say "Y". And all those who aren't sure say "..." :)
Steve Jacobs: I sent out another e-mail earlier proposing a tutorial covering the working aspects of the game writers life and picking a select few to do it. Do we want to move forward on that??
Sande: I'm using voice recognition software half detract
Chris Bateman: I say, submit, submit, submit. It doesn't matter how many proposals get rejected, after all.
Sande: It depends on what kind of side event
Sande: I am submitting for three proposals but none of them are writing oriented
WendyDespain: Chris, for your voting purposes, is Write Club considered a side event?
Chris Bateman: No.
Ed Kuehnel: Y
WendyDespain: i'm confused
Chris Bateman: Sorry, cancel the show of hands - it's obviously highly confused!
Chris Bateman: :)
WendyDespain: I think we should do Write Club with or without GDC support
Sande: Yes. You can do a lot without GDC support
WendyDespain: if it's without - then it's a side event
Chris Bateman: Let me clarify... Write Club aside, do we want to give up on a side event at GDC for this year?
Sande: look at Linden labs they took over the two tables in front of the elevator
Chris Bateman: (I'm assuming that if Write Club is accepted, we do it, and if not, we can do it without the GDC)
Ed Kuehnel: I think there are still some interesting possibilities for side events outside of Write Club. We might need to just discuss them via email or someting. So...yes.
Sande: I think of right club of a side event. What other kind of side events were you thinking about?
Chris Bateman: It seems no matter what I write, I can only subtract clarity, and not add it....
WendyDespain: and if we do it without the GDC, it's a side event. but maybe I'm splitting hairs. :-)
WendyDespain: yeah, giving it some thought - I'm with you, Ed. I think we should have _some_ side event as a SIG
WendyDespain: it doesn't have to be elaborate
Chris Bateman: It's Shroedinger's Cat, Wendy. It is neither with or without official GDC endorsement at the moment... My point is, we originally talked about a fully fledged side event at GDC - a mini-conference. Now we are talking about just doing something small and atomic.
WendyDespain: is there no middle ground? :-)
Sande: I don't think at this moment we can pull together a mini conference at another location in the same city S. GDC
Chris Bateman: Okay, that's cool - that's the sort of information I was failing to find a way to ask about. :)
Steve Jacobs: A full mini conf without a war chest is no conf at all :-)
Chris Bateman: Well Jason has offered funds to us when we want to do it.
Rhianna Pratchett: sorry phone, my grandfather is very ill at the moment, speaking to my father Chris Bateman: So there is a potential war chest.
Sande: A marketing campaign like right club running underground at GDC would take some organizing but I think it's very possible
Coray: I also just got sucked into an interview...brb
Ed Kuehnel: We could discuss other, small events if we don't find much funding.
Steve Jacobs: The size and scope of the event are directly proportional to the size of the war chest :-)
Sande: We can use of money for party:)
WendyDespain: yeah, I think maybe we need some clarification on how much money is available
Steve Jacobs: Write club could use some funding
Chris Bateman: I fear time has become short. I'm going to have to ask that we put this issue to one side for now, and come back to it after we clear the agenda.
Chris Bateman: BUT Ed should definitely submit Write Club to CMP tomorrow!
Steve Jacobs: I think we could also hold off on deciding until I see what Jamil has to say post siggraph
WendyDespain: Chris, could you find out more about what kind of funding we're talking about?
Steve Jacobs: agreed re write club
Steve Jacobs: I will also try to pursue the one day tutorial concept proposed in previous e-mail if I can get a couple of folks to sign on
Sande: I think right club could be a presentation via the Emily Dickinson design challenge
Sande: You would have to decide your contestants before hand perhaps
WendyDespain: hey Sande - there was a more elaborate explanation of it soon before you joined us Chris Bateman: I'm not going to bring anything back to Jason until we have at least a one page proposal. Until we have a one page proposal for a side conference, it's premature to ask about funding. BUT the IGDA committee has put funding to other SIGs to support events, so the money is there if we want it. Anyway, I'm going to move on... feel free to continue cross talking over me.
Steve Jacobs: Perhaps there might be a web based qualifying round, thus dragging more potential sig members to our web page :-
) Chris Bateman: (H) Future co-operation with WG UK (Rhianna Pratchett)
Chris Bateman: and
Chris Bateman: (I) Spike TV report (Ed Kuehnel)
Sande: Was the one day tutorial the same as what we did before?
WendyDespain: ...... 5 bucks for making copies is one thing. 600 is another thing entirely.
Ed Kuehnel: Rhianna you here?
Sande: I believe she is on the phone, the news about her grandfather
Chris Bateman: I think she's still on the phone... She'll get to us when she can.
Chris Bateman: That's why I didn't just post that one point...
Steve Jacobs: Sande, I sent out some e-mail earlier of a different one that got some discussion
Ed Kuehnel: Spike TV: I've got my VP of Creative, who's attended the Spike TV awards very stoked abouthte possiblity of Spike TV handing out a "Best Writing" award...
Sande: OK. I do not think I saw that.
Chris Bateman: Wendy: I have to figure there's at least $1000 available for a conference if we want to. I may be exagerating, but that's my impression.
WendyDespain: thanks Chris, that helps
Chris Bateman: But personally, I think we shouldn't rush on a GDC event, especially if we can make progress with CMP over the next twelve months.
Ed Kuehnel: ...Reason is, our game is right up there alley, being filled with sex & porn stars and the like. He's going to try and work with our publisher to make it happen. My own attempts fell flat, but our VP will have better luck than me anyhow. That's all.
Steve Jacobs: chris, unless GDC/IDGA provides a space in addition, that 1K doesn't go very far Chris Bateman: Thanks Ed. I'll leave it in Matters Arising for next time!
Chris Bateman: Steve: I agree, but it could well be more than $1K - my point is, there is money if we need it.
Steve Jacobs: got it
WendyDespain: personally, I like to shoot for the stars and see if we land on a high mountain if we miss.
WendyDespain: i'm all about the big ideas
WendyDespain: so we'll continue developing GDC side conference ideas
WendyDespain: anything else on the agenda?
Chris Bateman: Well that's all the Matters Arising.
Chris Bateman: There's one Agenda point.
Chris Bateman: 1. Link to the mailing list on the SIG webpage
Chris Bateman: This is for me and Wendy. :) Have you done it yet?
WendyDespain: no
WendyDespain: i'm experiencing some technical difficulties
Chris Bateman: OK, that's all we have to say on the matter. :)
WendyDespain: but i'll get them worked out
Chris Bateman: I only put it on the agenda so it would come up in the next meeting's MA really. :)
Chris Bateman: OK, Any Other Business.
Chris Bateman: First, next meeting date?
WendyDespain: my home network is dead at the moment, so I'm limited to my laptop in Borders :-)
Chris Bateman: On paper, it should be August 31st. But it's slap bang in the middle of what used to ECTS - the London conference. So I'd request a different day.
Chris Bateman: Is Wednesday 24th of August too soon?
Ed Kuehnel: I'll be on vacation that week. Middle of the desert. No computers. Ah....
Steve Jacobs: I'll be winding down a cross country trip, so won't be available
Chris Bateman: Which desert? New Mexico? I love NM...
Chris Bateman: How about Wednesday September 7th?
Steve Jacobs: should work
Sande: isn't that the writers' conference in Austin?
Ed Kuehnel: Good.
Ed Kuehnel: Eastern Oregon.
Steve Jacobs: October for Austin isn't it?
Rhianna Pratchett: I did have a metting planned with Andy, to look into moreWriters ' Guild stuff... but unfortunately London started exploding and so we've got to reschedule
WendyDespain: i thought the writers conference was october
Sande: No it's in September or is it october?
Ed Kuehnel: October.
Chris Bateman: Rhianna: Yeah, that's fair enough. Not to worry - there's no rush on that particular point.
Sande: it was in September last year
Steve Jacobs: 10-26
Steve Jacobs: Might get in the way of september meeting
Steve Jacobs: That one'd likely best be done first week of nov for post conf discussions
Steve Jacobs: meant november :-)
WendyDespain: ok, when is the writers conference?
Chris Bateman: I'll ask again - is 7th September acceptible? Please reply 'Y' or 'N' at the very least. :)
Chris Bateman: Y
Steve Jacobs: y
Ed Kuehnel: Y
Sande: Yes
WendyDespain: y (unless it conflicts with the conference)
Chris Bateman: OK, cool.
Chris Bateman: Thanks everyone!
Ed Kuehnel: Bye all!
Chris Bateman: Any more Any Other Business?
Chris Bateman: Bye Ed!
Rhianna Pratchett: Y
Ed Kuehnel: Just that if you every have an opportunity to put any pressure on Spike TV to give out a "Best Writing" award during the games awards show, do it!
Sande: bye-bye
Chris Bateman: Alright everyone - I must fly. But it strikes me we could use more discussion about the side conferences etc. if anyone has the time to spare. Sorry to love you and leave you!
Steve Jacobs: I can hang out
Rhianna Pratchett: Cya Chris
Rhianna Pratchett: I've got to go too, bye guys
WendyDespain: me too... though it looks like there are lots of different ideas about what a side conference is
Sande: I have a few minutes to discuss
WendyDespain: a $1,000 prize for the writing contest would certainly drum up interest
Sande: Who is going to read all the entries during GDC?
WendyDespain: there seems to be differing opinions about how good it is for it to be a GDC sponsored event as opposed to an underground thing
Steve Jacobs: Good point Sande, another reason why I like the idea of a qualifying round off the sig website first
Steve Jacobs: get it down to a handful at the event
Sande: That is why I suggested something like the Emily Dickinson design challenge.
Sande: It would give people time to prepare.
WendyDespain: personally, i think it should be decided by the people who show up at the event
WendyDespain: i like the undergroundness of it
Sande: And maybe we are interested and in how certain game writers would tackle a problem
WendyDespain: i think if we do it in a more traditional way we're in danger of ignoring/pushing away unorthodox ideas
WendyDespain: established game writers can have blinders on, sometimes
Sande: Tell me how it would be run. Because I know that I do not have even time to is go into Expo during GDC
Sande: Sometimes
WendyDespain: I think the idea was to have the whole thing - contest and winner deciding all happen within like an hour an a half
Sande: That is very fast.
WendyDespain: with half an hour to generate the idea, and half an hour to present them to the crowd and get responses
Steve Jacobs: So, a web based first round open to all folks to pick 10 or less who will compete real time for the final round in front of the live audience??
Sande: How will giving them some time to generate the idea?
WendyDespain: i think we're thinking of two very different kinds of contests - and I'm a little nervous about hashing it out without knowing more about what Ed was thinking
Sande: Writing in a half-hour can be quite strenuous
Steve Jacobs: we could ask Ed to send a clarifying e-mail 1st
Sande: Why don't we send end a transcript?
WendyDespain: we'll send Ed a transcript, I just don't like coopting his idea
Sande: the reason the Emily games design challenge is interesting to people is because we have celebrity game designers.
Sande: Here we would be elevating Writer's.
Sande: If you did it that way
Sande: But what this does is that it eliminates the need to read a lot of entries in a short amount of time
WendyDespain: his idea seemed to me to be very informal and fun-oriented.
Sande: Maybe it needs to take place over the course of the entire conference
Sande: A couple of days
Steve Jacobs: all cool, but how do you keep 25 people from all wanting to do it?
Sande: In what situation?
Steve Jacobs: Ie the final bar centered competition
WendyDespain: what's wrong with having 25 people wanting to do it?
Sande: You have a limit on time
Steve Jacobs: I f they're all struggling to be heard in a bar one after the other begins to lose its fun luster
WendyDespain: if you're asking them to write a cut scene, for instance, you should be able to read the scripts for all 25 in less than 30 seconds
Steve Jacobs: and becomes interminable
Sande: Time is a precious commodity and GDC
WendyDespain: 30 seconds each, i should say
Sande: Especially
Sande: It would have act out the scenes for it to be interesting if
WendyDespain: it's going to be unbearably boring no matter what we do unless we have a colorful MC
Sande: People reading pieces of paper in front of a crowd based on the same cut seen would be boring
Steve Jacobs: Perhaps a few variations/possibilities could be generated to either run by Ed and/or the exec and/or the list to get a better focus?
Sande: Yes let them think about it
WendyDespain: he introduced it as a pub-game idea
Sande: It would be run differently if it were up underground saying lanky massive fleet off line multiplayer games
Sande: It's very loud in the pub off
Sande: A though you could get a microphone
WendyDespain: the point would be to take over the pub
Sande: It's just that the other people in the room might not appreciated it
WendyDespain: the point of a pub game is to not care about the other people in the pub :-)
Steve Jacobs: Must pick up car :-)
WendyDespain: bye steve
Sande: OK. He has to pitch its first as a session
Steve Jacobs: Wendy why don't you send Ed a note asking him to clarify his thoughts and then go from there.
Sande: So it's first variation cannot be in the pub.
Steve Jacobs: later...
Steve Jacobs: ...poof
WendyDespain: but it can still have a pub-game feel
Sande: I have to go to.
Sande: Yes again
WendyDespain: okay, bye Sande. I'll try to get some clarification on this